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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope[edit]
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions[edit]
Discussions awaiting closure[edit]
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 30 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 29 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 28 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 27 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 26 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 25 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 20 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 17 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 15 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 4 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 29 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD[edit]
Nomination procedure[edit]
Twinkle[edit]
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD[edit]
You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors[edit]
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 June 7|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure[edit]
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories[edit]
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request[edit]
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page[edit]
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions[edit]
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 08:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 85 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Individual Glires to Category:Individual glires – C2A. Mason (talk) 03:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Individual primates by location to Category:Individual primates by country – C2C: parent is Individual animals by country Mason (talk) 03:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Computer game magazines published in the Netherlands to Category:Video game magazines published in the Netherlands – C2B. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Abc Conjecture to Category:Abc conjecture – C2A and C2D (Abc conjecture). — MarkH21talk 02:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Attacks on hospitals during the Yemeni civil war to Category:Attacks on hospitals during the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yemeni Civil War crimes to Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) crimes – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yemeni military personnel killed in the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Yemeni military personnel killed in the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saudi Arabian military personnel killed in the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Saudi Arabian military personnel killed in the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yemeni military personnel of the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Yemeni military personnel of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saudi Arabian military personnel of the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Saudi Arabian military personnel of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Military personnel killed in the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Military personnel killed in the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2A: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People killed in the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:People killed in the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2C: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Military personnel of the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Military personnel of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2C: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:Battles of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2C: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People of the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) to Category:People of the Yemeni civil war (2014–present) – C2C: Category:Yemeni civil war (2014–present) 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Local council camps of the Girls Scouts of the USA to Category:Local council camps of the Girl Scouts of the USA – C2A: The organization name is "Girl Scouts of the USA" (not "Girls") GoingBatty (talk) 00:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedian Hyphen Luddites to Category:Wikipedian hyphen luddites – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Robot Food WikiLove templates to Category:Robot food WikiLove templates – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia Collaboration templates to Category:Wikipedia collaboration templates – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia Documentation to Category:Wikipedia documentation – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:La République En Marche! politician stubs to Category:Renaissance (French political party) politician stubs – C2D. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Librarians episode redirects to lists to Category:The Librarians (2014 TV series) episode redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nana character redirects to lists to Category:Nana (manga) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Contra character redirects to lists to Category:Contra (series) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aria character redirects to lists to Category:Aria (manga) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 20:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Society of Kurdistan to Category:Kurdish society – C2C: Please note that the category was previously moved speedy from 'Kurdish society'. Therefore, I request it be reverted. Similar categories in Category by ethnicity are named in this manner. Additionally, not only Kurds live in Kurdistan. Aldij (talk) 12:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Clyde F.C. templates to Category:Clyde F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 09:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ayr United F.C. templates to Category:Ayr United F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Annan Athletic F.C. templates to Category:Annan Athletic F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of three navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 09:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Women's Nations League squads to Category:FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League squads – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 08:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League squads to Category:FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League squads – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 09:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:8th Secretariat of the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola to Category:Secretariat of the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1st Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba – C2F: C2f Mason (talk) 04:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2nd Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:3rd Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:5th Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:6th Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:7th Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:8th Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Secretariat of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:1st Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba – C2F: No need to have each is an isolated category Mason (talk) 04:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2nd Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:3rd Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:4th Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:5th Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:6th Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:7th Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:8th Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba to Category:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba
- Category:Films shot in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern to Category:Films shot in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania – C2C: Parent is "Category:Culture of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania" –Mellamelina (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mass media in Pavlodar to Category:Mass media in Pavlodar Region – C2C: parent is Pavlodar Region Mason (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mosques in Pavlodar to Category:Mosques in Pavlodar Region – C2C: parent is Pavlodar Region Mason (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aspen Center for Physics scholars to Category:Aspen Center for Physics people – C2C: similar categories in People by research organization are called FOO people Mason (talk) 22:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministries of George III of the United Kingdom to Category:Ministries of George III – C2D: article is George III. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Court of George III of the United Kingdom to Category:Court of George III – C2D: article is George III. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Children of George III of the United Kingdom to Category:Children of George III – C2D: article is George III. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:George III of the United Kingdom to Category:George III – C2D: article is George III. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministries of William IV of the United Kingdom to Category:Ministries of William IV – C2D: article is William IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Illegitimate children of William IV of the United Kingdom to Category:Illegitimate children of William IV – C2D: article is William IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Children of William IV of the United Kingdom to Category:Children of William IV – C2D: article is William IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:William IV of the United Kingdom to Category:William IV – C2D: article is William IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministries of George IV of the United Kingdom to Category:Ministries of George IV – C2D: article is George IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:George IV of the United Kingdom to Category:George IV – C2D: main article is George IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Self-propelled Howitzers of North Korea to Category:Self-propelled howitzers of North Korea – C2C, capitalization; parent category is Category:Self-propelled howitzers by country Chris the speller yack
- Category:Mistresses of George IV of the United Kingdom to Category:Mistresses of George IV – C2D: main article is George IV. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. @Omnis Scientia: We should also take up the parent category for renaming George IV of the United Kingdom to George IV under this reasoning. Mason (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison:, good catch! Will do. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Added for this and also for the categories of William IV and George III. Categories for every British Monarch after William and before George matches their article names. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. @Omnis Scientia: We should also take up the parent category for renaming George IV of the United Kingdom to George IV under this reasoning. Mason (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video gamers to Category:Video game players – C2C: To match Category:Game players, which is not called "gamers". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- So you propose we change Category:Board game players and Category:Card game players to Category:Board gamers and Category:Card gamers? As the lead article says it includes them and we should have one consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not propose those other categories for name changing too. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- So you propose we change Category:Board game players and Category:Card game players to Category:Board gamers and Category:Card gamers? As the lead article says it includes them and we should have one consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia – C2C: Parent Category:History of East Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- They all involved the County of East Frisia or its predecessors: Saxon feud, Appeal War, Battle of Detern (predecessors Brokmerland and Auricherland), Battle of Norditi (predecessor Norderland; actually involving the Bishop of Bremen-Hamburg, so perhaps it should be Purged). All of these (except Norditi) aren't really about the East Frisians as a people without a state; these are noble/dynastic conflicts between members of reigning families such as Tom Brok, Cirksena and so on.
- On the other hand, if this isn't about a state, then we should Purge parent Category:Wars involving Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much. Emden Revolution, Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst East Frisia today or in the past.
- There are other options, but they require us to translate first, e.g. de:Geldrische Fehde (Ostfriesland), de:Schlacht von Jemgum (1533) and de:Schlacht auf den Wilden Äckern, or their nlwiki equivalents (probably easier for you and me). Perhaps it is better to Rename to something like Category:Military history of East Frisia? Then again, East Frisia is not an administrative region nowadays, so we hit the "Lorraine" problem. At any rate, I guess we'll have to move to full to solve this, it's not as simple as I thought. NLeeuw (talk) 09:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 29#Category:Battles involving the East Frisians. NLeeuw (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt – C2F: No need for a separate games category QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: better nominate them at full CfD then. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place to Category:Baseball players from the United States by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Baseball players from Taiwan by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea to Category:Baseball players from South Korea by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico to Category:Baseball players from Puerto Rico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Baseball players from Canada by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Baseball players from Australia by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico to Category:Baseball players from Mexico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City
- Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei
- South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul
- Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto
- Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
- Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City
- I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at Category:American sportspeople by sport and populated place, most of these categories are titled "Sportsplayers by populated place in country" not "Sportsplayers in/from county by populated place". Liz Read! Talk! 17:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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